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Sundome, the Greatest Manga with the Greatest Disappointing Ending: The Really Unexpected Part Three

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Well I did some research and found a forum dedicated to Sundome, and one of the more interesting point of views for the ending made me a little sick, which is always fun, but the one that made the most sense was one that suggests Sahana did live, and her and Aiba are married at the end.

I tend to lean more towards this ending because the mole was probably being covered up by make-up due to that she was very paranoid of people seeing her looking ill, when she was always ill, so those were the times when she was probably not wearing make-up.

The other thing that I noticed anyway was the diologue that was being spoken by the woman at the end did fee like something Sahana would say, so yeah, I guess it is Sahana.

I just don’t get this vague ending crap, drawing your own conclusions bullshit. Fucking Japanese, I love ’em, but damn!

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  1. Celeste
    January 7, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    heya I’m the same girl who posted before, I just reread some of the last volume and I’m thinking it’s not Kurumi at the end. His little problem in bed points more towards him not being able to keep it up, I think. His wife says that perhaps they should try something new to which Aiba suggests a golden shower. Think about it, that would hardly be something new for Kurumi and Aiba. But she does have a similar body language to Kurumi so who knows. It’s all too confusing and anger-making 😑 grr

    • flabslapper
      January 7, 2011 at 6:29 pm

      hahaha I know man it really sucks, let’s just remember the good times…like when they rubbed each other off inside that water basin when trying to escape from that ghost, or the first time Kurumi peed on Aiba :3 lol

  2. Celeste
    January 7, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    aha yeah, I’m gonna pretend the series ended before the last chapter πŸ˜‰ like one of those where they ran out of budget money to complete the thing. I’d prefere even that to how it really ended! Except I now have nothing to look forward to in the following months πŸ˜› the only other series I’m reading right now is Ichigo100% and I already know how that ends. I’m going to rewrite and redraw my own ending for Sundome ^_~

    • flabslapper
      January 7, 2011 at 7:39 pm

      sounds like a plan! And that’s Strawberry 100% right? I’m always getting suggested that on Amazon, you think I should read it?

  3. Celeste
    January 8, 2011 at 7:54 am

    yeah it is πŸ™‚ it’s a really funny one with alot of your typical panty shots. It’s not as hardcore in their scenes as Sundome but the humour is there and the story is alot longer. So far I’ve not been disappointed with it and if it wasnt’ for the idiot who posted the ending (without mentioning it being a spoiler) in one of his forum posts, I’d still be wondering who the hell he gets with at the end. So! if you do get it, never look into forums about it πŸ˜› I’m waiting on volume 15 to come out here as I live in the UK.

    • flabslapper
      January 9, 2011 at 12:35 am

      oh wow you live in the UK?! The internet is a great place isn’t it? Two confused Sundome readers were able to find each other and figure things out lol πŸ˜€

  4. Celeste
    January 9, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    yup ^^ I actually found your blog while searching for explanations about the ending of volume 8 but then ended up reading a great deal more, haha. Your posts are very entertaining πŸ™‚
    I keep going through the other volumes to see if I’ve missed anything out.. nothing so far ><

    • flabslapper
      January 9, 2011 at 11:46 pm

      lol at the other comments of you not knowing what posted πŸ˜€

      and thanks! I try to be entertaining when I can lol, I wish I just had more to say, I like forget I have a blog most of the time! But i got some other stuff in the works that fits my style pretty well (it’s perverted lol), so stay tuned! πŸ˜‰

      • January 10, 2011 at 7:12 am

        hah yeah, I used to have an account on here, totally forgot my password and everything so thought i’d make a new one!
        and hooray for perverted writings! I had a deviantart account full of my hentai series I was working on, but this thing is about 6 years old now and terrible. I’ll probably make a new one sometime as soon as I find where I left my bag of motivation.

  5. Celeste
    January 9, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    hm, that was me btw, just entered in a different email by mistake ><

  6. January 9, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    now I don’t even know if that other comment appeared before or not or what it actually said… o.O FAIL

  7. veritasiskey
    January 12, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    yea i just finished reading the manga and it made me superrr mad!! but i do not think that women is Kurumi b/c she didnt want to do the golden shower and kurumi is the only girl that can get aiba up and that FUCKIN MOLE!?!?!? noooo thats not kurumi

    • flabslapper
      January 12, 2011 at 10:23 pm

      that’s the thing man, she would joke around like that to bust his balls, and she could have had the mole the whole time – she may have been covering her whole face with thick make-up to hide how ill she looked. Whenever he came over unannounced she would hide her face from him, probbly because she wasn’t wearing make-up

      still, the ending makes me mad too lol

  8. Andrew
    January 13, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    I’ve just finished reading english version (scanlation vol.1-6 and translated RAWs vol.7-8). Too bad i’m not able to purchase things off amazon easily.
    Anyway, i also found some other discussions over there and here i want to summarize some points that imo should be noticed:

    1. In some previous chapters, it all seems like a story of the past told by no other than Aiba. There are at least 2 hints like:
    – “it was a last summer break spent with her”
    – “this would be the last time we’d go on a field trip together” (with Kurumi picture right near the text)

    2. There are several hints during their sex scene in the boat:
    – she doesn’t move AT ALL on all pictures, only shakes because of Aiba. After that she also doesn’t clasp her hand at all, unlike Aiba.
    (This is actually what i didn’t notice the first time – looks like she died just before they started, or just after a few moments. I didn’t expect it to happen at all during this scene, and that’s where the confusion started for me.)
    – also- there are people who think she is still alive after their sex, motivating that by thinking there is a smile on her face… well this is actually her nose, you’ll realize it if you saw other scenes under similar perspective. Furthermore, her eyes are shadowed.
    – also- i guess it is safe to assume she didn’t die (just fainted) right during sex but some time later, so that wouldn’t count as necrophilia. And yet, you have to agree she didn’t wake up anymore. The scene and his words (“when WE wake up, let’s…”) says just that much…
    – during that scene Aiba seem to understand a bit of what’s going on. He starts to cry and we see a flashback of moments spent with her.
    – finally, the last chapter’s name “Sundome” is logical if you assume “this” happened right before they “finished”.

    3. The last scene with his wife:
    – notice the building and the apt. Doesn’t seem like previous Kurumi’s place, although someone said it looks exactly alike. It just does not.
    – “Sorry, i did it again”. Do you really think that could happen in front of Kurumi, after everything they’ve experienced together? To me it looks more like he had (maybe still has) a great stress after Kurumi died right in his hands.
    – notice her face is very similar to Kurumi’s…
    – notice her mole. If someone thinks Kurumi had one, i have to disagree. There is no way such a person would be ashamed of it, and hide it even while in extreme conditions (water, rain, hospital, illness). If someone thinks this is a mock-up/make-up – it doesn’t make much sense at all.
    – notice her chest. Some say it is bigger than Kurumi’s and that’s why she can’t be Kurumi. That’s not the matter here – if you think about it, Kurumi could have the same size after the same time under the same perspective. It’s just useless to be an argument here.
    – notice their talk about “sex play they’ve never done before”. Did they never tried “golden shower” before with Kurumi? Would Kurumi act like “wtf this is so pervy”? I guess not.
    – notice what is she doing with a wedding invitation. I’m sure Kurumi would at least open it and/or express some more gladness. While we only hear “I’ll leave it here”. Why does she thinks Kattsun is strange and doesn’t get the meaning of Roman Club? It’s because she wasn’t around before.
    – notice how he thanked her without a reason. Still, it seems he is grateful for just her existence alone. “You exist”, unlike Kurumi, who is not exist anymore…
    – okay, some may say they are not even married, because we don’t see a ring on any of Aiba’s hands. Still they don’t act like she has another nusband around imo.

    4. Some previous scenes:
    – Kurumi’s medicine… She kept it inside the sofa and probably used it in secret from others. Would a person do so if not to hide his terminal illness? Also, Aiba surely wasn’t relieved by what he’ve found about that medicine on the internet.
    – previously Kurumi mentioned she had/has siblings.
    – before that Kurumi said she lied about her parents’ death. I personally think it is her habit to play with small lies (about parents, about her being a boy, from another planet etc.) just to see how people would react. Doesn’t seem a bad habit though.
    – remember her doctor appeared on a festival with a woman (likely his wife). They could be very well her real parents. Rich family (expensive car; Kurumi crying over the money Aiba returned), a daughter who chose to live in a small apt alone, just visiting her father’s hospital and having him helping around sometimes.
    – notice a mole on her doctor’s(father’s) cheek.
    – remember a small scene with Kurumi and Aiba inside the train. She noticed something in the window, perhaps the place where she was living before. At the same time we see the scene on the opposite side, where some girl arrived and asked if Kurumi is there, because she sensed her presence. Too bad i can’t say if her face is similar to Kurumi’s at all.
    – overall- that girl might be one of Kurumi’s siblings. And Aiba’s wife might be also one of her siblings, having a mole similar to father’s. That place over the window might be a place where Kurumi’s family lives, and it lies rather far from their (Aiba and Murumi) final destination (when they arrived it was dark already), but still it is located somewhere of their path back. After Kurumi’s death Aiba was very likely to meet her family, at least on funeral.
    It is obvious he might like one of her sisters, since he liked “everything in Kurumi” the moment he meet her. And by that time… he was already quite a man, thanks to all the “collars”. She might be even her twin-sister, you know.

    I might forget something i wanted to tell, but it should be already clear i guess. I too was pissed off by this harsh ending, but after i tried to understand things like these, i’m really feeling better now. Kurumi is a unique person, and i don’t like to realize she died right there, but it was indeed hinted too many times during all the previous chapters…
    At least for me it seems good that Kurumi didn’t do dirty things with that man (doctor/father), for sure Aiba should be proud with their unique relationship (and he didn’t share her with anyone), also Kurumi probably found the best person to spend her last moments. Futhermore, she made him stronger, and i do hope he made her somewhat happy…
    That was quite long. Anyway, i wish you all feel less confused about this great manga!

    • lin1981
      February 15, 2012 at 7:18 pm

      i agree with almost all but one think she died during sex because he stopes to ask to
      flap if she couldn’t and she turns her head and speaks something to him which is the las words lets have sex when i woke up and see dies after and he continues over the dead bode but finishes over her belly

  9. Andy
    January 18, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    For the entire story he would endure anything to be with her. Thats what has me so confused about this ending. If she was dieing and there was some promise made then possibly he could continue alone. The last panel “thanks you still exist” if the woman here is not Kurumi It just doesn’t work with no prior introduction.
    Shit crying again.
    If I was him and she had died on that beach then someone wuold have had the unpleasant task of finding 2 bodies. Her in my arms.

    • flabslapper
      January 18, 2011 at 11:01 pm

      Though suicide is never the answer, I completely agree with what your saying, that’s why I just have to believe the girl at the end is Karumi, becasue otherwise he’s a complete asshole, you know?

    • August 7, 2011 at 6:30 am

      for some reason I feel like she died after she said “come here” and on the side it said “It was all… so peaceful” and as much as I hate to say it it looks like he had sex with her dead body since her hand seemed to move but she herself looked lifeless and dead and then when he came on her he looked up, holding her and she has no expression whatsoever… but I could be wrong (and I wish and hope I am) but that’s what it looks like… I’m going to be depressed for a while….

  10. January 24, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    I don’t believe the girl in the end is Sahana. That was a totally different woman, which is what makes it sad.

    It’s obvious, because when Aiba hints about peeing for sex, the woman thinks it’s weird or that he’s an absolute pervert. Now if that was Sahana, and after all their years together given that, she’d have totally understood Aiba.

    My take is that Sahana said “when I wake up let’s have sex” which is all the more sad and fucked up because she never wakes up so they never have sex but you do see Aiba giving his all= either he just jacked off on top of her of if he really fucked her when she died. But knowing Aiba he wouldn’t do the latter- he respects Sahana too much. He does grant her final wish when she says “come here” in which he does. And so he does not have real sex with Sahana, therefore the Alumni fund him in his studies to become a doctor.

    At least the good part of the ending is that we see Aiba could move on despite his obsession for Sahana. That even if he had that sad part in his life, the ending shows that he’s at least enjoying his life as a doctor, that he has a wife who’s totally understanding about his premature ejaculation or whatever sex problem it was (but someone who didn’t think piss was a turn-on) and that Sahana was but a treasured memory.

    • flabslapper
      January 24, 2011 at 2:24 pm

      I suppose that makes sense (in fact this is what I thought myself), either way I’m working on contacting the author so he can tell us himself (needless to say I won’t be linking to my blog lol)

      • Mildudon
        April 21, 2011 at 9:46 am

        Have you had any luck contacting the author. I have Contacted the American and japanese Publishers about getting in contact with him no word yet.

      • flabslapper
        April 21, 2011 at 10:15 am

        aw naw man sorry, I tried but I could never find the right person, he must be some sort of a recluse lol

    • ABSage
      June 16, 2011 at 6:41 am

      He couldn’t have jerked off over top of her, unless he has an extra arm. Look back at the scene, he’s supporting his body over hers with both his arms at about the same height as he shoulders. He totally turned necrophiliac. She gave him permission, in her round-about way. The ending is sad, and pretty fucked-up.

      • flabslapper
        June 16, 2011 at 9:26 am

        Maybe her ghost jerked him off? GHOST HAND JOB WHOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

        Seriously though I’m glad this has opened up such a big discussion between fans of the manga, I was afraid I was gonna write this thing and like one person would comment saying “trololololololo” lol

  11. Kumakaori
    January 31, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    Reading the horribly tl’d english, left me as confused as you so I chased down the raw JPN, thank god for over 10 years of study and a nearby dictionary.

    She’s dead. Final Page:…Thank you ..(why?) You exist. — His face for the two panels before that, look like he’s about to cry.

    Whether or not they did it or he was masturbating above her, (opinion leans towards the latter; b/c that’s what she suggested. Also then morning = Sex (but she’s not gonna wake up, hah!)) doesn’t matter as much to me. She’s not still in that hospital wasting away, she chose to have her life end as magnificently as the plankton in the Flowers of the Waves.

    Perhaps <<;? *sigh* I'm glad it's over, I'm sad the end is so vague :/.

    • flabslapper
      February 1, 2011 at 12:41 am

      wow, you actually have some great timing because not a second before I read your comment I enlisted my friend who can read Japanese and she just told me the same thing

      The ending is actually pretty good, and it is totally a bitter-sweet, I just feel so bad for the guy, I guess I knew this would happen, but I didn’t want it to

  12. KarmaZ
    February 6, 2011 at 1:28 am

    I believe that Kurumi was alive when they started having sex but then passed on before Hideo could come. This makes sense because of the title Sundome stopping before you come! Also Kurumi always said she would never let Hideo cum. Her dieing was her not allowing him to cum. I was very confused but now im coming to terms with the ending very good yes bitter-sweet. I wish they could have had 1 more chapter for the future at her funeral how hideo meet his wife and how devastated he was after the loss of Kurumi.

  13. pootedesu
    February 7, 2011 at 5:32 am

    Found your page by searching for other people’s take on the ending of Sundome. I just got done reading all of it this weekend and thought I would put in my 2 cents.

    Sadly, Kurumi does eventually pass away. He isn’t clear on when, but she does. The foreshadowing in the previous chapters clearly state that they never have more time together (which is the opposite of having tons of time together if you get married). “Okitara Sex Shiyou” closer translates to “If I wake up, lets have sex” instead of “When I wake up, lets have sex”. He is more than likely using her weakened body to masturbate to (as they have done in the past, their method of showing emotion and calming each other down). His wife also does not understand what the Roman Club is about, something that Kurumi understands very well with her time as part of it.

    Lastly, the “Thank You” for existing is something you begin to understand when you get married and have dealt with the death of someone near to you. I have dealt with my fair share of death, be it friends or family, and sometimes I tell my wife “Thank You” in the same way. It is actually a very sweet ending, one that shows how you can take previous experiences and let them help make you a better person, but also how difficult it can be when you remember those things.

  14. aragah
    February 10, 2011 at 9:14 am

    for the love of god, I just want to know if he was banging her corpse like a horny monkey or she died after whatever was going on, anyone?

    • flabslapper
      February 10, 2011 at 11:58 am

      it’s uh…probably best not to think about it…

  15. aragah
    February 10, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    well I have to know, I mean I cant toss the books in the garbage until I know for sure. maybe I could contact the translator for the books, yeah….

    • flabslapper
      February 10, 2011 at 10:27 pm

      lol I know dude, I actually tried tracking the guy down myself but I couldn’t find his contact information

      • Mildudon
        April 21, 2011 at 3:43 pm

        We may get somewhat of an answer. The authors new manga Ibitsu is set in the same universe. I was reading the first two chapters and came across the ex president. I hope we get to meet Aiba again.

  16. aragah
    February 11, 2011 at 11:35 am

    If anyone reading this can translate japanese let me know.

  17. J_carter
    February 21, 2011 at 3:45 am

    I too have yet to decide on whether she died before, during, or after they had sex. As far as him saying thank you at the end in my opinion if you look at that panel you will see a shadow that was not there and couldnt have been cast by his wife. Whether it is actually her ghost or just his imagination is questionable, though I lean toward ghost give they were members pf the roman club, also if you except that the comment to the doctor was in reference to the night they spent together then it serves aqs further support that it was her ghost

  18. Houmonen
    February 23, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    Hello, very entertaining and a good take on the ending. Someone said that the japanese was clearer; is there somehow a way someone could upload a better version of the translated last pages?

  19. Supar
    March 11, 2011 at 7:29 am

    I just finished this. I think the last line is about the plankton wave flowers and mistranslated.(I have limited Japanese. She whispered to him that when the plankton rise he can have sex.”Okitara Sex Shi yo” Okitara referring to the wave flowers and not herself.)

    She dies just before(Sundome means “stopping just before”) she sees them and he follows her command of having sex when the plankton rise. This makes much more sense to me.

    The ending is just simply his new wife years later.

  20. BigMan
    March 19, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    First of all, I really liked this manga, mainly because how unique it is.

    In the first few chapters i just read it “only” because it was funny and even thought i would leave it.
    I wasn’t able to sympathize with Aiba-kun back then, but still, i was so curious about the outcome of their relationship with Sahana-kun.
    And about at the 25th chapter i realised, how much I really were into it.

    I rushed through it in 2 days, finishing it in the evening, the ending provoked such unnamed feelings in me and all the thoughts were spinning in my head.
    So basically yes, i had a hard time understanding the ending, so i looked up on the internet what others say,(and found this site too) only to get even more questions instead of answers.
    I hardly fell asleep and during the night i have no idea how many times i woke up with such wakefulness as if i wouldn’t even have slept and were only thinking about the ending the whole night.
    When sunlight set i was ready to search for some answers.

    Here it is, how i see the ending, i will go through it page by page:

    But first of all, in contrary to many peoples beliefs, it’s really sad, but Sahana did indeed pass away.

    Also the translation is unclear at some parts, so please, if someone is out there who could translate at least this last chapter, be so kind and tell us about it!

    It was really touching how well they all worked together to make it all possible.
    I didn’t see it first, but the elevator is in front of the stairway, so Aiba left via the lift, while ex-prez and Tatsuya set up the fake accident.

    According to the directors talk with the OB, i don’t think that any of the club members had problems later with them, even if they didn’t remain virgins, the director probably let it slip and they were helped in their education and lives.
    Same goes to Aiba-kun, no matter what he did altogether or later on the beach.

    While on the train Sahana seems to be smiling, but I think theres also sorrow and the expression of “Goodbye” written on her face.
    You can see how she waves her hand while Aiba eats something and he asks, what it is, to wich she says “nothing” but seemingly with a smile.
    The translation of the sign is “children’s home”, so basically an orphanage. Do you remember when Sahana said she doesn’t have any parents but later told Aiba that it was a lie?
    I think she really didn’t have any parents, she probably just didn’t want Hideo to worry about it.
    When they were telling those 100 ghost stories (chapter 35 first pages) it looks like the lone child is Sahana and the man is the OB.
    And during the summer festival the OB and his wife – i think they adopted Kurumi.
    Also during the last part of the summer break, she was away and Hideo tought she was with “him”. Yes, that’s right, but accordingly to the big bag she brought home, i think the OB brought her to this children’s home for a visit.
    When Sahana said she had siblings- you can guess from the girls age at the 11th page that they are about the same, and the reason she knows how Kurumi smells is because of her visit here not long ago. She was one of Kurumi’s siblings.
    (As i typed these lines, until this point i couldn’t really cry, even though i wanted -only to ease my thoughts, but now the tears won’t stop)

    On page 14 Sahana invites Hideo into the sleeping bag.
    Page 15 – assuming that Kurumi doesn’t move and shes all white, i think she isn’t alive anymore.
    And as someone else already beautifully thought – her arm being leant back means she was probably alive when they started.
    I do believe they had sex (instead of him rubbing against her), Hideos both arms stretched out indicates this further.

    Page 16 Aiba: “Why… was it me?” – Even though i can’t see tears, for me it seems like he is crying.
    Flashback- Sahana: “You were the same as me”

    Page 17 – I don’t understand, the translation says: 1-Are you tired? 2-Sleepy? 3- Uh… i could jerk off… 4-huh? 5-Okay.
    Who is saying which? 1,2 are Hideo, 3 should be either a question or Sahana saying: “You can jerk off”
    This confuses me, so please, someone translate this page anew.

    In the first panel its the actual time and he cries, after that it’s a flashback from a few minutes or a short time before while they were together in the sleeping bag.

    From this point there are two conclusions:
    First, some poeple already noted that the translation might be wrong on the page where he holds her unresponding hands.
    It is written “When i wake up let’s have sex”, but it might be understood also as something like: “When the waves wake, let’s have sex”
    Still, i don’t know if this is correct or not, but if you see the panels on page 18, Hideo tries to smile when the waves get stronger and he comes when the “Wave flowers” really bloom.
    But it seems true, because for me he seems as if he would loose his mind any second, but as soon he hears the waves clashing, he seems more calm.

    Second is taken from / singleturbo / through the myanimelist.net forum – he says Sahana whispers here (page 17 3rd bubble) in his ears “Tomorrow when i wake up…” and the sentence is finished a few pages later “When i wake up let’s have sex”.
    But then why is he having sex with her during the night?
    I’d like to quote singleturbo:
    “He did this because she probably fell really ill and obviously wasn’t going to make it to the morning. So I assume she was near death while he was doing her (he can be interpreted as crying here) and she died before he could finish (hence the title of the manga “Sundome”). It also fits in with her promise to him about sex (she knew she wasn’t going to make it to the morning, so she was kind of telling him it was okay to do it and still not “letting” him do it.)”

    After reading that comment multiple times, and after understanding the power of the words, i can imagine this being the case, so at first it was agreed they will do it in the morning, but then she fell ill and she allowed him to do it.
    Thats so kind. Even though it’s so sad, its wonderful.

    I’d like to continue the thought and say: He didn’t come inside, because that would have been like Sahana made (let) him come. And this would have been against her promise (“No matter how much you cried and begged for me I’d never let you come”), so Hideo remained faithful till the very end and this act was very much like him as we have seen so many times before.

    My heart feels now like it would rip apart.

    On the two pages where the “wave flowers” are and Kurumi’s white body – at first i thought what was written was only said by Hideo. But after checking it again, i think this was a conversation between them about the “wave flowers” or maybe even when she was still alive and she could see a previous “wave flower”.
    Hideo: “Wave flowers are when plankton gets stirred up in the sea by chasing
    waves and strong winds… They are the carcasses of the plankton”
    Sahana: “I know.”
    Hideo: “Doesn’t it make you sad?”
    Sahana: “Oh… It’s more beautiful than if they just sank into the sea”

    Page 22: “When i wake up let’s have sex”, i already examined this in the two points above.
    On it’s own the expression is beautiful, but right because of this, that it is on it’s own without anything before or after, it makes me feel like she would give a small ray of hope for Hideo, indicating that she will be still there tomorrow and maybe even after.
    And because of that, it doesn’t sound like something Kurumi would say. She wouldn’t “lie” to him. I think she wouldn’t end everything like this, i doubt these would be her last words or not at least in this context.

    …But most of us may be wrong and simply shouldn’t try to look so deep into it. It can be that she really said these “simple words”, because she did’nt want to make Aiba-kun worried.

    Yet again, if theres someone who would translate the last chapter again, we might see something new. So please, do so if you can and share your thoughts with us.

    • BigMan
      March 19, 2011 at 4:04 pm

      part 2 of the ending

      On the page where we see Kurumi for the last time, – i think she isn’t smiling, it’s her nose, also we can’t see her eyes, further indicating that she passed away.
      Even though, Aiba embracing her, hand in hand, and smiling while watching the “wave flowers”.
      I believe that when he came and there were the “wave flowers” above them, Sahana sure would have been joyful to see this wonder just like when she was happy when Hideo protected her in the bathtub from the fireworks.

      Page 23-24-25
      Aiba-kun is now a resident (meaning that if they had 2,5 years until graduation and he had to spend at least 3 years in university, the time went on by 5-6 years) (This may not be correct as it’s different in some countries when you can enter the resident status)
      Also, the OB is there, which means he supported Aiba. (Since they are both in the same hospital and he isn’t banned anymore from entering – yes, it’s that same hospital)
      I think that the OB may be Aiba’s mentor.
      Some people thought that on the 2nd panel of page 25 Hideo was talking about his neck feeling heavy or something of significance, thus relating to Sahana being alive and him carrying her on his back – there is nothing like that.
      I don’t think theres any hidden meaning intended in those words (another translation would contradict me maybe?). He just simply says something silly, the OB being curious and he also says “It’s nothing”.

      Page 26
      Aiba has now a wife. (Thanks for pointing out the ring, i wouldn’t have noticed it)
      And on the first panel, no it’s not the same apartment as Kurumi’s. That one had another floor or rooftop and this one has more windows.

      Page 27
      His wife being “new to” golden shower further implies that she is not Sahana. Also there are no hints that she might be Sahana’s sibling (sister as some of you thought).

      Page 28
      Aiba’s wife brings the invitational letter of Kattsun and Kyouko to him. (Only because she knows them doesn’t mean she is Kurumi)
      Ex-prez (was his real name ever said?) and Tatsuya are also alright.
      I was happy to see Kattsun and Kyouko being married and further on – him succesfully becoming a lawyer.

      Page 28-29
      She’s wondering about Kattsun and the Roman club – can not be Kurumi.
      Someone also said that on these last pages her shadow is as it wouldn’t come from her. But it does, its her shadow, not Kurumi’s ghost.

      Page 29
      “But… I think it’s wonderful that they both think the same thing is wonderful.”
      This simple sentence was so heart-warming.

      After hearing her, Aiba seems to think back on the past and thanks her.
      She doesn’t understand, but i think what he meant was how really grateful he is – for her being there for him and being as she is (even though she finds Kattsun strange she likes their relationship with Kyouko, so i guess she might be a good person, and there are surely other reasons for Aiba to love her).

      And what really got me confused:

      “You still exist”

      In the end of volume six it is translated as “You do exist”, but as i found out, that doesn’t matter here.
      I found 3 options for the meaning of these words.

      1- Aiba thinking about her wife, being thankful for her existence. (But this would be too simple for an ending)
      2- I thought that it was one of the last things Sahana said to Hideo or it is him imagining her voice as like she would say it. (But the words aren’t in a quotation mark)
      3- After reading the last 2 volumes again – in the first pages of chapter 73:

      “She… didn’t spend the limited time she had with you… because she wanted to bring you down or disappoint you…

      She was always waiting for you… to act on your own.
      She was watching for that moment. Don’t you agree?

      Your existence… is also her existence.”

      In my memories
      In my thoughts
      In every one of my steps

      You made me strong
      You made me a man
      You made me who i am

      I can act on my own

      You still exist (in my existence).

      Hehe, i think this is like something Aiba-kun would think.
      His face looks so happy.

      So, this is how i see the ending.
      Thank you for reading.
      And even though i don’t know how many times i broke out in tears, there’s not only sorrow now, but happines too.
      Plus, i feel a bit relieved now.
      I enjoyed watching the growth of all the characters.
      This was my 8th manga and the first completed one to read it to the end.
      I can say that it had a great impact on me.
      I think, that in the future i would like to read this manga again.

      I wouldn’t recommend it to just anyone, but,
      because as it is anyone could enjoy it.

      If your mature enough, you will understand it.
      If you don’t understand it, try again in a few years.

      I don’t intend to degrade anyone – ofcourse it still might be that you don’t like the manga,
      and it may not have to do with how mature you are (or your age, no matter how old you are),
      i just think that you should give it another try after some time has passed,
      maybe your aspect about things will change and you may like it.

      There are some questions still unanswered, but i think those should be left for everyone’s own perception or imagination.

      Because this is, what is so unique for me about this manga.
      Take a look at how the characters were in the beginning and how they are in the ending.
      They all became something more, something stronger.
      Even though it’s a sad ending for the story i wouldn’t say there is nothing happy about it.
      They all went on with their lives and found something valuable.

      I think the author wanted to show that life can be like this.
      Happy and sad, wonderful yet cruel.
      This is not what life essentially is.
      It is a part of life.

      I want to thank the author from the bottom of my heart. Thank you for this amazing story.

  21. Mildudon
    April 21, 2011 at 11:39 am

    flabslapper :
    aw naw man sorry, I tried but I could never find the right person, he must be some sort of a recluse lol

    Thanks for trying. I am hoping the publisher will write with some contact info or an answer from the author. I also wrote Yen press, about som contact info, all they sendt was there view on the ending.

    The final scene of Sundome takes place a few years after Hideo’s encounter with Kurumi by the sea. Kurumi’s illness seems to have taken her in the end, though the author has left it to the reader’s imagination whether she died with Hideo on the beach or sometime after. Hideo follows through on his promise to be a doctor for her sake and has found someone new, though his preference for Kurumi is evident by the fact that the girl looks just like her, etc.

  22. kvnd
    April 22, 2011 at 1:25 am

    Just finished the series, some of my opinions: *spoler alert*
    The common questions are: who’s the old guy with the mole? what’s his relationship with sahana? did sahana have sex with aiba? who is aiba’s wife?
    Again, just my opinions. The old guy is sahana’s personal doctor, or some type of guardian. I don’t think sahana has any kind of sexual relationship with him; i’d strongly believe so, or it would ruin her image to the readers (except for the S&M stuff she does lol). There are no clear hints that she had sex with the doctor; for someone in her condition, a full body examination is understandable.
    Hideo had sex with sahana at the end (hopefully she was alive then); it was confusing with “when i wake up, let’s have sex” – another round? but it was pretty clear they did it at the end. The page where hideo held her hand, but she didn’t grip him was so sadd :(. Hideo’s wife, not sahana. But what she said to hideo and her second thought about the golden shower shows that hideo sees sahana in his wife, thus, “you still exist”. Well there ya go :D, it was sad but i liked it.

  23. kvnd
    April 22, 2011 at 1:32 am

    I made the comment before reading Bigman’s post. What i said is pretty much a summary of Bigman’s, so refer to his post for more detail and extras :).

  24. kvnd
    April 22, 2011 at 7:02 am

    Sorry if i’m spamming. To Bigman’s confusion, on page 17, can’t really tell who’s saying what. But either one would work; but notice the third panel, aiba said he could jerk off, and then “huh?” – to me it looks like sahana whispered to him something like “let’s have sex” lol.

  25. Bruno
    May 14, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    It’s quite confusing in the end, it seems they are having sex, but since she promises him they will do it tomorrow I guess it means she was masturbating him for the first time ever but got so weak and tired he had to finish it himself.Then she died in the night.

    He married some other woman, but would have a hard time getting erections because sex with her was too unimaginative.

    Anyway, she will never die as long as we remember her and her teachings, believe in yourself, try your best and all is possible. (sorry, got a little lame there)

    My first manga series, totally worth it!

  26. Tom
    June 15, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    Just to add a bitt of a pebble. She swore she would never have sex with him.

    In my view, I beleive she may have been diagnosed with Aids, she was in an orphangae whoich could indicate her parents were dead and she may have inherited Aids from them. She swore she would never have sex with him because of course she would infect him and it takes a long time for Aids to kill someone…

    The reason she was so sick of course would be due to that illness and the Dr’s would have bene trying out all the different treatments available which would have varying effects.

    No I don’t think it was cnacer or anyhting, there ar eno signs of Kimo etc.

    Yes I may be quite morbid or clasping at straws but I beleive that when she says, ‘when i wake up, lets have sex’ is because she wants to keep him happy and knows that she is going to die but did not want to bring him down, like she never has done to him. They did not have sex by the sea, it was a usual encounter they have. I beleive she jerked him off…

    Of course the issue is all the speculation in the ending whihc frustrates me as much as it does everyone else…

    I think the true meaning is that they will one day join eachother in the afterlife, considering the last words ‘when I wake up, let shave sex’ are beneath the image of the embrace when Kurumi may already be dead, it is possible they are his words and not hers.

    One last penny for the thoughts.

    A lot of creative work is made form perosnal experience and the creator of Sundome may very well know the real ending but it is very likely to be based on their perosnal experience that liekly still hurts them today. OIr may simply be fiction. either way, the story was beautiful and I knew it was going to have a sad ending…

    • BigMan
      June 26, 2011 at 3:40 pm

      Sorry, I don’t think she suffered from that disease.

      I write this on the basis of my rather poor knowledge about this subject, so don’t take anything for granted.

      First of all, it is possible to be infected with HIV from a parent.
      But taken that in most cases the infection lasts until 10 years and the characters were about 16 years old, it is not likely that she could have endured this long.

      Anyway, as I know, in many (most?) cases people with AIDS can die from any sickness (even a small flu), because of the failure of the immune system.
      Let’s think back – in one chapter, she was sick, she simply caught a cold. That cold would have been enough for it.

      Furthermore, remember the watersports? The disease is transmitted by vaginal fluids too. Ok, pee is not the same, but since it’s close to the spot, she wouldn’t have risked it to infect Aiba-kun too. (And he licked her almost everywhere too anyway) Do you also remember how he cured her from that cold? πŸ™‚
      If it still would have happened, he wouldn’t be there maybe after the time skip, plus him being a doctor, he would not be so careless to infect his wife too.

      So I think we can close out this option.

      Yet again, I have to point out, that the information I wrote may not be correct in all parts and entity. I’m sorry for any inconveniences caused.

      Going on – Even today, I’m still a bit under the effects of this manga.
      In the meantime I found a story, that is a bit similar.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love

      If the manga was in any means inspired by that story, that I do not know and I don’t want to start a discussion about it either.
      Still, the disease might have been Leukemia here too.
      That or any other disease, I think the truth will stay with the author and so everyone is free to understand it to it’s heart’s content.
      I am not sure that I will be able to make myself see the movie version of that novel in the near future.

      Anyway, leaving this subject, let’s think back on how magnificent this manga is. I am happy that I found it and I was able to read it.

  27. flabslapper
    June 26, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    I’m really happy that everyone could have a great discussion about Sundome on my blog, all you guys are awesome and I’m really happy that such a great story, even if the ending left me a little…perturbed…could bring everyone together like this, thanks everyone!

  28. mixi
    July 10, 2011 at 5:07 am

    Thanks for all the insights guys, I really needed this for closure XDD

    Anyway…
    “Are you tired…? Sleepy…? …I could jerk off?(to amuse or calm her)” Then Sahana whispers something in his ear, “Huh…?”
    and I agree when someone said what she whispered was “Oitara sekkusu shiyo.” And I did think she meant the waves, to which Aiba replied, “Okay.”
    I kind of think Aiba did realize she was already dead sometime during the deed, and even if I were him, I would never desecrate Sahana’s corpse with my jizz in her O_O So he pulled out. BUT THEN, it also kinda makes sense that he was just jerking off by rubbing against her and what she meant was “When I wake up”, and not the waves, because we all know she’s never going to anyway, therefore keeping her promise of never having sex with him, and never letting him finish. I think Aiba realized this too, and carried on gallantly anyway ; _ ; Also makes sense since he got the OB’s help and shizz.

    The existence thing can really be deepened to “you still exist because I exist”, but for simpler readers they can take it as “Thank you Sahana, you still exist”(which she doesn’t, but a lot of people think that she was his wife, or “Thank you, wife, because you exist.”

    I honestly hoped it was Sahana ; _ ; OMG I’M GONNA CREEEIII ; A ;

  29. Axel
    July 11, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    Thanks for all the opinion guys, I loved the manga but wasnt sure about the ending. It just sad, it reminded me of Hanbun no Tsuki ga Noboru Sora.

  30. AiLied
    July 18, 2011 at 4:32 am

    Just a few things to add:

    1. I thought the naming of the characters was interesting (assuming the interest translations are correct):
    Hideo – translated as “excellent man”
    Sahana – this may a bit of a stretch but it seems as an Indian name Sahana can mean patience/tolerance (and in even more of a stretch, makes a sort “nuts tolerance” joke with “Kurumi” meaning walnut)

    Commenting on an above comment, while his name was never mentioned in Sundome, in chapter 2 of Ibitsu (which presumably takes place in the same universe) a customer who appears to be the Ex-Prez (seems to be into his mid 20’s to early 30’s in age now) comes into the main character’s shop to get his anal dildo repaired (>_____>) and is referred to as “Moto-san.”

    2. I believe when Hideo is talking to the OB doctor about feeling like his neck is being pulled it was supposed to reference the “collars” aspect of his relationship with Kurumi (hence the gesture he makes by his neck), and how she always motivated him to try his hardest. In fact a major theme of the series was how Kurumi made Hideo a better person and the majority of the chapters focused on the incremental impacts she made on his life. For example, at the start of the series, Hideo is shown to be totally passive (she won’t give him her phone number because she knows he’ll just sit around waiting for HER to call), yet as the series progresses he takes more and more initiative and often ends up making the first move on her (often followed by profuse apologies :D), climaxing in his planning and executing her breakout/rescue from the hospital.

    3. I thought that the “you still exist” line was not something Hideo said out loud, but rather his internal thoughts referring to Kurumi. Sort of a “you made me the man I am today” or “your memory/legacy lives on through me” type of comment. I’d even go so far as to say the “Thanks” earlier is partially directed at Kurumi as well. And to end it on an upbeat note, after remembering Kurumi, Hideo decides to gather up his courage to ask the woman again about giving him a golden shower. Shows how unique a manga this is when “golden shower” makes you smile and remember the good times :D.

    As much as I’d rather she lived, I think it’s pretty clear that Kurumi dies, but I think this was intended to be viewed as a “happy” ending. Rather than being tragic, to me Kurumi’s final scene expressed feelings of contentment and happiness that Hideo kept his promise to take her to see the wave flowers and how she got to spend her final moments with the person she loved. Similarly after the time skip, the final scene was to show the impact Kurumi’s life had on Hideo (he ends up becoming a doctor, the collar, etc.) and that even though Hideo has moved on and found a new love, he will never forget how he loved Kurumi, how she affected his life, and the time they spent together.

    While I too was initially saddened by the ending, after some time, I realized how great the message is: Life may not last forever, but that’s why it’s so precious and special.

  31. Blaze
    July 21, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Noooo that endding was so sad T-T

  32. Ecner
    September 15, 2011 at 1:09 am

    I’ll never forget this masterpiece.

  33. yo
    April 30, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    I think she was an assassin origionally but likes aiba and doesnt want to have sex with him because then he’d get kicked out and she might have to transfer. I think she died as they never mentioned a cure. Perhaps he had trouble getting aroused by his new lover right away because of the same reason kyoko couldn’t get him hard earlier in the series. Perhaps he had gotten conditioned only to get hard from kurumi (she has that effect on him almost instantly.) And he can probably fix this problem with his new lover by making a connection between her and kurumi (like using urine)

  34. shi1000
    May 28, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    Reading this manga like twice or three times already… and every time I reached the final chapter… manly tears were shed ; _ ;

    Wuoooaaaa.. I know the ending is good, and kurumi will always live within him, thus making him the man he is now. But, other than that, I also really hopes to see those two together at the end, having a happy family. I hope the author can make this silly version of ending ; _ ;

  35. July 5, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    I really like China and its folks

  36. anon
    July 6, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    Guys sadly Sahana died before the sex started.

    Aiba’s face/eyes are blanked out in alot of the sex scene. that seems to done in sorrow instead of pleasure since he knows she’s already gone.

    They were supposed to have sex when she “woke up”. When Aiba asked, “Are you tired? Sleepy? I could just masturbate…” She interrupted him and whispered, inaudibly to the audience, “When I wake up, lets have sex”. That’s why he gave such a cheerful “Okay” He was ready to wait for when she woke up. She died shortly after in her sleep. The page where you actually see the sentence “When I wake up, lets have sex” that is Aiba remembering her last words.

    In chapter 73 the man with the mole said Sahana was “waiting for Aiba to act on his own”. The boat sex scene was done out of Aiba’s own wish, and i guess her implied wish of him doing something on his own. So in a way its creepy that he had sex with a dead body but in a way she asked him to act on his own with her. Sort of a dying request.

  37. January 4, 2014 at 3:30 pm

    I think the ending could go either way. There are evidences showing sahana is dead, but there are also pointers telling sahana is alive. Sahana may or may not have a mole. If she does not want aiba to find out about her illness, then she may hide it with make up. Breasts becomes bigger after growing up. Again this may not be the case.

    There are chapters that sahana calls aiba a perv in order to tease him, which could also indicate that she is teasing aiba during the golden shower part. Others tell that the girl in the ending is not sahana because he cannot get a hard on, but remember during the early chapter in which aiba became impotent, he cannot get erection even when shana touched his dick.

    Have read the manga thrice and I still cannot come up with a closure. The details for this manga is well place,even the evidences can point either way.

  38. earthoffoxes
    January 23, 2015 at 6:54 am

    The movie ending is completely different compared to manga. In the movie, Sahana and Aiba are standing at the sea shore and Sahana tells Aiba that she loves him. After that Aiba hugs her and starts shouting her name repeatedly, which kinda gives you an idea that she dies there. Than “10 years later” sign. After that, we see other members of Roman club including this girl (sorry, forgot her name) drinking, they are calling Aiba but he is busy at the hospital where he works. He tells a little bedridden girl that he could find a donor for her and the operation is quite soon. Than he goes near the window and the sequence in which every member of Roman club kinda turns forward starts with the image of laughing Kurumi at the end making Aiba last one to turn and make some hand gesture. I also would like to note that in that last sequence all of the Roman club members were looking not like school kids but grown men and only Kurumi was in a school uniform.

    Her rich father (and doctor) has a mole, though.

  39. March 27, 2015 at 1:59 pm

    The girl in the end was wearing a wedding had a mole and was taller and had longer hair that was them grown and Mary’s she must not have died it also send she was doing things be hind sis back through the whole show and what’s up when they’re on their back patio and he comes by and he sits there ignoring it covering his ears and then you see her coming out button your shirt up what’s up with thatwhat is the examining her or and she made it so like it was life or death like get over it whatever

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